Just look where the latest development is planned.   These pictures were taken from the stairwell at Winter Springs High School.    The property on the OTHER side of the trail show will be the new high density housing development.

when  it  ALL  began --- click  [ Here ]

         While County citizens raise concerns about school rezoning, the City of Winter Springs continues to throw up barriers to prohibit any means of the County to even consider citizen concerns.    The City of Winter Springs is HIDING their massive expansion plans to bring in revenue to support the merchants in their floundering "Tiny Town" --- a.k.a. TownCenter.  

          The City's plans for massive development right BEHIND Winter Springs High School would further eliminate any hope for the citizens and their zoning problems.    Winter Springs keeps adding to the problem, and probably more future Winter Springs High School students will be transferred in the coming years.    The City is not being honest --- that's the infamous borrow pit area!    There has to be a hidden issue behind the City's latest maneuver.     

 Read the "True Borrow Pit" story -- click [ Here ].

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You must read the minutes of the Commission meeting lower down the page to see actually how your Commissioners are caving in to McLemore and his developer buddies.

As an added insert PFGG will insert the  Khemlani/Chase/Bush/THOA  School Board bribe --

Click  [ Here ]

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CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA

MINUTES

CITY COMMISSION

REGULAR MEETING – FEBRUARY 28, 2005

PAGE 17 OF 27

REGULAR

502. Community Development Department

Requests The Commission Consider A Revised

Conceptual Development Plan And Development

Agreement For A Unit Town-House Development

On 17.15 Acres In The Town Center, Located

On The South Side Of Orange Avenue,

Immediately Adjacent To The Trail (South)

And City Recreation Facilities (West).

Mr. Baker spoke on a summary of this project that he had

 just passed out.   Mr. Baker then stated,   “We have for you tonight a Development Agreement, and there are a number of things that are

covered there.    There are some items that I have listed that are deviations from your Code.  

For example, the roadway system is different than the Town Center map that Dover Kohl did use

before.   We don’t see a big problem with that.     We don’t see a problem with that as a matter  of

fact.   Let me point out that we don’t have connection to the high school;     I don’t think the

High School would give us connection.   We do have the emergency access here.    This was shown

as a roadway; here we have it as a shared access alley between  –---- units, back up to us on this

side; these folks would also have access.”

With discussion, Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "Has anybody had any discussions whatsoever

with the school?"

Further discussion ensued.     (What was the topic of the discussion?)

Tape 3/Side A

With discussion, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, “What is the expected timeframe on that - for

Orange Avenue to connect to State Road 434?”    Manager McLemore responded, “We really

haven’t nailed that one yet, we can certainly do that.”

Discussion. Regarding construction vehicle access, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, “We don’t

want that traffic going down Tuskawilla Road.”

Deputy Mayor Blake added, “That is a serious issue that we need to discuss.”

Mr. Tom Corkery, 759 Bear Creek Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on the level of service.    

      (This is citizen input that isn't revealed to the public.   This is true of McLemore

"edited" minutes.    If the contents are detrimental to the subject --- it is not printed

in the written minutes as released to the public.    One has to purchase "unedited" tapes

to get the true meaning of public statement input.)

Discussion.   ( Must have been about a coffee break. )

Deputy Mayor Blake remarked, “We need to take a real close look at Orange Avenue – timing…”

Manager McLemore stated, “…We can do that…”   ( Do what --- City Manager? )

Deputy Mayor Blake continued,  “…And maybe check out our priority list here because that is

 going to be a real issue for folks down here.”   ( What's the issue Commissioner? )

Further discussion ensued with Mr. Lockcuff.  (Notice the discussion isn't noted.   It may

have a negative impact if revealed.   McLemore doesn't like negative issues to be known

to the public.)

CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA

MINUTES

CITY COMMISSION

REGULAR MEETING – FEBRUARY 28, 2005

PAGE 18 OF 27

Commissioner Gilmore mentioned, “I have the concern that down the road – somebody is

going to have some problems with drainage from all of this going - heading to Lake Jesup

and I would certainly hope that the City is aware of that and we aren’t stuck with that cost

– I hope you are looking at it as these projects are approved.”

Mr. Lockcuff noted, “Yes, Sir.”

Mayor Bush then said to Manager McLemore, “In Commissioner Blake’s concern about

Orange Avenue, can the completion of Orange Avenue be expedited?”

Manager McLemore responded, “It certainly can be expedited – want me to come back to

you with the strategies to do that?”

With discussion, Mayor Bush summarized the most recent comments as --  “Expedite Spine

Road as well as…

Deputy Mayor Blake said, “… Need to…"

Manager McLemore said, “…We’ll come back.”

Deputy Mayor Blake added, ‘We need to look at priorities on each of these different ones,

that especially are being affected by this new development and to determine which one has

to come first, how soon, or can we just do them both.”

Mayor Bush noted, “The Commission is in agreement. We have consensus on that.”

With discussion on the grading, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, “I don’t understand how you

can’t raise those units up by six inches (6"), front and back.”

Mr. Dave Schmitt, P.E., Vice President, Land Development of Central Florida, Levitt and

Sons, LLC, 1479 Hartford Run Drive, Orlando, Florida: as the Engineer of Record, Mr.

Schmitt spoke on the issue of grade and stated, “When you have a street like this, you

have a building like this, you may have six inches (6") on one side, you may have thirty-

six inches (36") on the other side, that’s where we’re at for the Variance on that criteria.”

Deputy Mayor Blake then commented to Mr. Schmitt, “So, are you telling me that – this

alley right here, if I am looking at these units – I have seven inches (7") – on this side of

the elevation, above grade, and on this side I have how many inches?”

Deputy Mayor Blake then said, “So, we’re talking about the building unit, that it may be

seven inches (7") – down here and thirty-six inches (36") up here? Is that what you are saying?”

Mr. Schmitt noted, “Correct.”

Deputy Mayor Blake then said, “So if you raise this to twelve (12), then you are going to raise

that to 42 (forty-two)?”

Mr. Schmitt replied, “Correct.”

Deputy Mayor Blake then noted, “Is that because by design you have got a single slab on

the whole building?”

Mr. Schmitt said, “Correct.”

Deputy Mayor Blake added, “Is that what you are doing?”

Mr. Schmitt replied, “Correct.”

Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake said to Mr. Schmitt, “In terms of construction

engineering, the maximum differential you can have between floors – from one unit to

the next unit is eight inches (8")?”

Mr. Schmitt replied, “Correct.”   With further comments, Mr. Schmitt noted, “If it could work

with the grade differential, we would make them all twenty-four inches (24"), but it is not

physically possible to get that width – the grades on the site, even with your stepping abilities.”

CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA

MINUTES

CITY COMMISSION

REGULAR MEETING – FEBRUARY 28, 2005

PAGE 19 OF 27

Ms. Pamela Stacy, Architectural Designer, Canin Associates, 500 Delaney Avenue,

Orlando, Florida: briefly remarked on the grade.

Manager McLemore commented on noting this for the Record.  ( What was noted City Manager?)

Mr. Corkery then commented that “This is the best with the problems I have with the –

property, that I can meet those standards; so we’re at seven inches (7") – six inches (6")

to twelve inches (12") is seven percent (7%), is the best I could get out of my Engineers.”

Discussion.  (What was the nature of the discussion?   What's being hidden?)

Further discussion ensued on the Tot Lot being fenced in.  (Is this another $33,000 to the City?)

Tape 3/Side B

“MOTION TO APPROVE, CONSIDERING THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AS

ESTABLISHED BY THE ENGINEERING FIRM.”

MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.  (Who never even entered into the discussion

if the above published minutes are correct!    She may even have a motive here.)

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE.  (Another Commissioner heard from at last

who also NEVER even (according to the minutes) entered into the above discussion.    I guess your elected officials are just there to agree with City Manager McLemore and his staff.    You elected "yes people" to your City dais.)

DISCUSSION.

VOTE:

COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE

DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE

COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE

COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE    (Who never said a word.  She even sat on the "Planning

and Zoning Board", and had NOTHING to say?)

Commissioner Miller --- (Absent again.   He always has MORE IMPORTANT matters to attend to than his elected responsibilities.  This is NOT unusual.)

MOTION CARRIED.

Attorney Garganese spoke for the Record noted that “Mr. Baker did mention that there are

a few other deviations, he enumerated them - I just need to incorporate those into this

Development Agreement before everyone signs off on it.”  (Why would the City Attorney allow

this to take place on the agenda if it needed further work?    Do the taxpayers pay his office

over $250,000 dollars a year PLUS to bring unfinished documents to the dais?

This item was brought before the Commission in it's unfinished format by the City Manager and his staff.    In all probability ALL changes will be made, and the public will NEVER know about this development until it bogs down traffic in the area.   It has NEVER been noticed in accessible public written records so there is NO trail to follow!)

This is a follow-up of our article on the "Borrow Pits" of some time ago [ Click Here ]

Yes emailer --- it's the same property ---- click [ Here ]